i will be forever baffled by white English dudes who flail their arms in protest and horror at the slightest hint of (real or perceived) islamophobia, but can then turn around and ask, without batting an eyelash, “oh you’re from Greece, do you guys have food over there? lol”
one of my biggest struggles in life has got to be the, how the fuck do you ask someone if they wanna have sex in a way thats 1. if shes a woman, that makes her feel safe, won’t creep her out and complys with feminist ideals and 2. how to ask a guy if hes dtf that won’t creep him out. can anyone help me, feminst if you want a guy to ask you if you are dtf how would you perfer to be asked in a polite and respectable way.
holy shit this kid
he never stops omg this is embarrassing
Tumblr ppl are so lazy they cant even develop proper social skills and have to actualy verbally ask these things lol
Like imagine this person comming up to you and asking you: HELLO PERSON COULD YOU TELL ME HOW TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU WITHOUT CREEPING YOU OUT AND MAKES U FEEL SAFE
it’s fun to imagine how indonesia would have been if islam never came around
probably much better tbh, did you know that the borobudur temple (UNESCO world heritage site, one of the greatest buddhist monuments in the world) only survived basically because it was hidden from the muslims who would’ve otherwise destroyed it for ~idolatry? religion of peace lol
Dark Ages, Schmark Ages. The De-Textbook cuts through that and so much more fake-fact bullshit.
cloudy with a chance of witch burning
your periodic reminder that a good chunk of Europe basically shat the bed for a few centuries while everyone else kinda did their thing.
there was so much happening in the so called ‘dark ages’ that the historian in me cringes every time I hear that term
lol I mean, not that I have any desire to defend europe but the idea of the dark ages is pseudohistorical even within europe, and that is a very odd set of countries to pick to represent “europe” given that spain is majority muslim during the so-called dark ages, as is sicily, like why are mali and the whole of north africa (at a minimum) not bathed in yellow, why isn’t western china?
the idea that europe and the islamic world have always been rigidly established concepts distinct from one another is just so pseudohistorical, idk why tumblr thinks it’s progressive to feed into a model of history which actively thinks of Europe as being a distinct, christian, white concept from 0AD on b/c it’s not, it’s an idea of history which feeds into european racism, eurocentrism and european exceptionalism
this isn’t the first time I’ve seen stuff from the de-textbook that was just sophomoric and equally misguided as the stuff it criticises tbh
You just described all of tumblr’s “poc history” posts
LOL man.never forget white people did nothing first neither the best, they sleep and eat false propaganda,
Ugh, why the shit does that have to turn into a race thing? Why does EVERYTHING have to turn into a race thing?
because white people have made sure that everything is about race
as proved by the fact that when you say explorer, you think of a bunch of white guys walking the world and discovering it ~exotic wonders~ even though Zheng He travelled through Asia, to the Middle East, and even East Africa. But you’d likely never heard of him before.
Same reason you never heard of Ahmad Ibn Fadlan, an Arab traveller who, as early as the 10th century, went to the Volga area for diplomatic reasons. He wrote about it, much as Marco Polo would do later for his own travels, and is one of our sources on what viking were like (and by all accounts, he wrote about them more accurately than western scholars of the same period did)
Oh, or Ibn Battuta who travelled throughout Africa long before europeans did, and even went to Europe himself.
And that’s just some example of Muslim medieval travel writers
Everything is about race because white people keep telling everyone that their race is the only one who every got anything done.
i have heard of precisely zero non-european explorers ever in my life, and that fucking sucks. this exhibit is amazing and i need to learn more.
That boat is a frickin aircraft carrier comparatively. Holy crap. And no. Never heard a peep.
Zhenghe went to over 40 countries in Asia and Africa and probably went even further, but I didn’t encounter that in history books before. He brought gifts from China to every country he went to and everyone loved him. It was just like “Hey, I’m here with a water-helicarrier and a gift,” and the kings of every country were lilke “holy shit son well here have a giraffe.” There are paintings depicting him leading a giraffe as well. Check him out guys, he’s really cool
That is so awesome. Fuck western history. This is the real shit.
P.s you can open a book about the subject too about Chinese history and everything in between
It’s not rocket science
Zheng He discovered and explored nothing.
He did not sail one nautical mile that others (including the Chinese and White men) had not sailed before.
His voyages were tributary expeditions along already existing trade routes. He knew the cities he visited already existed and where they were before he set out. Traders and pirates from all over Asia had long gone on the routes between the cities he visited.
The Yuan emperor (Kublai Khan) sent a fleet in 1284 to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and a fleet sent by the Khan’s great-nephew for a bride in Persia visited Ceylon in 1293. The purpose of visiting Ceylon was to obtain the Buddhist holy relic of Buddha’s left canine tooth, by trying to buy it from the local king(s). Both fleets stopped in Singapore and Sumatra and India. Chinese artifacts are found throughout cities in the Indian ocean, so Chinese merchants didn’t stop at Indonesia. They followed Malay, Indian and Arab traders where they had sailed for centuries
So the trips Zheng He made were not unprecedented, unique or new; neither were they discoveries or explorations. In fact, Marco Polo was aboard both Yuan fleets to Ceylon as a a representative of Kublai Khan. So Zheng He merely went where a White man had gone before.
Zheng He’s routes in the Indian Ocean had been established for more than a millennia before he came along, and the sailors included Whites. More on that below.
Zheng He’s ships were so big because they were to be filled with tribute to be brought back.
Even Felipe Fernandez-Armesto, who can’t lavish enough praise on non-Whites, states:
The objective was “impressing the ports he visited with Chinese power,” as well as “stimulating the awe of the emperor’s home constituency with exotica which the Chinese classified as the tribute of remote peoples”
Zheng He brought giraffes back to China because he extorted riches out of the local kings by threatening them with his huge fleet:
Imperial proclamations were issued to the foreign kings, which meant that they could either submit and be bestowed with rewards or refuse and be pacified under the threat of an overwhelming military force. Foreign kings had to reaffirm their recognition of the Chinese emperor’s superior status by presenting tribute. Many countries were enrolled as tributaries.
Nevertheless, Dreyer (2007) states that it must have been a “terrifying apparition” when the large Chinese fleet came within visible reach before the coastline of a foreign country, bringing any state into submission by the sole sight of it alone.
The Ming–Kotte War was a military conflict between the expeditionary forces of the Chinese Ming empire with the Sinhalese Kotte kingdom, located in the southern territories of present-day Sri Lanka. This conflict happened when Ming China’s treasure fleet returned to Ceylon in 1410 or 1411. It resulted in the overthrow of the Sinhalese ruling house.
And the model is inaccurate. Accurate estimates put the treasure ships at 59 meters, 3 times as long as the Santa Maria.
And why did these voyages stop? They lasted thirty years, and then the ships were dismantled, records of the voyages destroyed and the Ming Dynasty ended all overseas trade. Why? (answers below)
Why didn’t the Chinese circumnavigate Africa to the Atlantic? Why didn’t the Chinese sail north to explore Manchuria, Siberia, Alaska and America? Why didn’t the Chinese discover Australia or New Zealand? Why didn’t they explore Melanesia, Polynesia, Micronesia and venture to Hawaii in the calm Pacific? Why didn’t they circumnavigate the world?
Why did Chinese have advanced ships but do so little with them? As well China stagnated in shipbuilding technology afterwards. They continued to rely on sewn planks and junk rigs. They lacked the navigation technology that Europeans had in the Age of Exploration and had been using since the middle ages, portolan charts, Jacob’s staff’s, true dry mariner’s compasses, and astrolabes. The Chinese continued to use needles in bowls of water for compasses until the late 15th century. They failed to adopt the advances of their neighbours or visiting Europeans:
The remarkable number of inventions that originated in China is proof enough of the genius of the Chinese people. And yet for centuries China refused to accept ideas or inventions from outside, with the result that Chinese techniques eventually languished…A willingness to imitate, or adopt, inventions made by foreigners is the first step towards the creation of an inventive and technically progressive societyThe lack of instances of arguments for a spherical earth is, of course, compounded by the lack of instances of any counter-argument at all; the flat earth remained unquestioned. This situation persisted until well into the seventeenth century.
(Europeans didn’t hesitate to adopt outside ideas and improve on them, e.g. the Chinese invented paper as we know it, Chinese POWs passed it on to Arab Muslim conquerors. Arabs passed it on to Europeans, but Europeans were the first to mechanize paper production with the use of water mills [which we invented]; Chinese and Arabs continued to make it manually by hand. The Chinese also failed to advance in the use of gunpowder and guns/cannons)
Most crucially, the lack of an adventurer spirit in Zheng He’s voyages is obvious. As David Landes wrote in his The Wealth and Poverty of Nations:
Why did China not make that little extra effort that would have taken it around the southern end of Africa and up into the Atlantic? Why, decades and even centuries after the arrival of European visitors in Chinese waters were there no Chinese vessels in the harbors of Europe? (the first such vessel, a vehicle for diplomacy, visited London for the Great Exhibition of 1851.)…
To begin with, the Chinese lacked range, focus, and above all, curiosity. They went to show themselves, not to see and learn, to bestow their presence, not to stay, to receive obeisance and tribute, not to buy. … this desire to overawe meant that costs far exceeded returns. These voyages reeked of extravagance.
The Chinese are a very pragmatic people, they simply saw the costs of Zheng He’s voyages as too high and had them stopped:
The Shuyu Zhouzilu then adds the following to the story. The Minister of War Xiang Zhong (in office 1474-1477) had sent a clerk to retrieve the documents, but could not find them after several days of searching. Liu Daxia eventually confessed and justified his actions to Xiang Zhong by stating that “the expeditions of Sanbao to the Western Ocean wasted tens of myriads of money and grain, and moreover the people who met their deaths [on these expeditions] may be counted by the myriads. Although he returned with wonderful things, what benefit was it to the state? This was merely an action of bad government of which ministers should severely disapprove. Even if the old archives were still preserved they should be destroyed in order to supress [a repetition of these things] at the root.” Minister Xiang Zhong was recorded to have been impressed by this explanation.
And simply put, the treasure voyages were not as dangerous, difficult or daring a journey as European explorations, not simply because the routes were known, as were the kingdoms visited, but because the Pacific and Indian Oceans are much calmer and easier to navigate than the Atlantic. Joseph Needham, The Shorter Science and Civilisation in China, p.141:
There was another matter in which the Portuguese showed seemingly more originality than the Chinese, and this was in the use of regime winds and currents. The problems they [the Portugese] had to face were more difficult, and the rose gallantly to the challenge. Almost as far as Madagascar the Chinese were in the realms of the monsoons ,the ‘junk-driving winds’ with which they had been familiar in their own home waters for more than a millennium. But the inhospitable Atlantic had never encouraged sailors in the same way, and though there had been a number of attempts to sail westwards, that ocean had never been systematically explored…
these voyages were essentially an urbane but systematic tour of inspection of the known world.
And the plain and simple fact is most explorers have been European/White:
Most explorers in history have been European. Concise Encyclopedia of Explorations lists a total of 274 explorers, of which only fifteen are non-European, with none listed after the mid-fifteenth century.
Frank Debenham’s Discovery and Exploration, a broad survey published in 1960, informs us that “man’s natural inquisitiveness has been a mainspring of discovery and exploration.”29 Yet, much of Debenham’s book is about modern Europeans exploring the world. There is an appendix that lists a total of 203 famous explorers, of which only eight are non-Western.30
Likewise, Fernández-Armesto’s book Pathfinders is described as “a study of humankind’s restless spirit,” but once he reaches the period after the 1500s, he has no explorers outside the West to write about.
The science of geography was initiated by the Ancient Greeks. European geography, cartography and interest in the rest of the world never stopped from the time of the Ancient Greeks’ colonizing the Mediterranean, Black and Aegean Seas (The city of Miletus alone created over 90 colonies) and creating the first world maps.
Whites had different motivations for exploration. The Portuguese, a tiny nation of less than one million, circumnavigated Africa and then the Globe, not the Chinese because they were motivated by a desire of renown and superior achievement. Again, Fernández-Armesto:we have seen evidence of one feature of European culture which did make the region peculiarly conducive to breeding explorers. They were steeped in the idealization of adventure. Many of them shared or strove to embody the great aristocratic ethos of their day—the “code” of chivalry.
Fernández-Armesto here speaks about the Portugese and Spanish, thinking this idealization was a result of medieval romance popular in Iberia. But the same statement could be made of the Ancient Greeks who loved the Odyssey, the Vikings and their explorations, the Crusaders, Renaissance explorers like Marco Polo, even the scientific explorers in the Age of Enlightenment (Captain Cook in particular, in his own words he wanted the “pleasure of being first” to sail “not only farther than man has been before me but as far as I think it possible for man to go”).
This spirit of exploration never ceased amongst Whites even when the culture became materialist: the explorers of Sub-Saharan Africa and the Amazon basin, the explorers of the North pole and Antarctica, the mountaineers who surveyed, mapped, climbed and conquered the Alps, the Himalaya and the Andes and astronauts and cosmonauts of the Space Race. Even today the private mission to Mars is White. Exploration, restlessness, lust for the glory and lust of adventure is a White thing. Valuing prestige above all else has been the defining element of the West.It has been said that when Mahatma Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western civilization he answered, “I think it would be a good idea.” Academics today interpret this answer to mean that the actual history of the West—the Crusades, the conquest of the Americas, the British Empire—belie its great ideas and great book…I challenge this naive separation between an idealized and a realistic West, using Oswald Spengler’s image of the West as a strikingly vibrant culture driven by a type of personality overflowing with expansive, disruptive, and creative impulses. Spengler designated the West as a “Faustian” culture whose “prime-symbol” was “pure and limitless space.” This soul type was first visible in medieval Europe, starting with Romanesque art, but particularly in the “spaciousness of Gothic cathedrals”; “the heroes of the Grail and Arthurian and Siegfried sagas, ever roaming in the infinite; and the Crusades,” including “the Hohenstaufen in Sicily, the Hansa in the Baltic, the Teutonic Knights in the Slavonic East, [and later] the Spaniards in America, [and] the Portuguese in the East Indies.”“Fighting,”“progressing,”“overcoming of resistances,” battling “against what is near, tangible and easy”—these are some of the terms Spengler uses to describe this soul. This Faustian being was animated with the spirit of a “proud beast of prey,” like that of an “eagle, lion, [or] tiger.” Much like Hegel’s master, who engages in a fight to the death for pure prestige, for this being “the concerns of life, the deed, became more important than mere physical existence.”This spirit infused every cultural sphere of Western life. As John Farrenkopf puts it: “the architecture of the Gothic cathedral expresses the Faustian will to conquer the heavens; Western symphonic music conveys the Faustian urge to conjure up a dynamic, transcendent, infinite space of sound; Western perspective painting mirrors the Faustian will to infinite distance; and the Western novel responds to the Faustian imperative to explore the inner depths of the human personality while extending outward with a comprehensive view.”
As for why none of you idiots ever heard of Zheng He, maybe it’s because you’re uninquisitive morons? I was taught about Zheng He, but then again I was in the International Baccalaureate, so I’m not a retard. You probably did learn about him briefly, but forgot, cos y’know… you’re fucking thick. And again, Zheng He was not an explorer or discoverer.
As for why you’ve never heard of Muslim travel writers, why have you never heard of Eudoxus of Cyzicus, the first Greek to sail to India in 118 BC, and possibly the first man to attempt to circumnavigate Africa?
Greeks and Roman ships sailing to India were common by 50 BC. In fact Romans sent an embassy all the way to China by sea in 166 and continued to do so until the 7th century (Showing again how Zheng He’s route was long and well used). Why have you never heard of this?
Why have you never heard of Scylax of Caryanda, a Greek explorer of India who sailed down the Indus in the 6th and 5th centuries BC?
Or of Pytheas, who’s exploration of the Northern Europe helped influence Eratosthenes conceptualization of the Earth as a sphere, his estimated size within 5% accuracy?
Or of Roman traveler Maes Titianus, who reached China?
- There’s a lot of travelers in history.
- Only some of them make a consequential impact.
Marco Polo was one who made an impact. His tales of China and Asia fascinated Europeans, so much that it helped spur the Age of Exploration. Christopher Columbus carried a copy of his book with him across the Atlantic. His works also helped create the Catalan Atlas and the Fra Maruo world map:
Niccolo de Conti also influenced the Genoese map:
Why weren’t any great new world maps made of the areas visited by Zheng He? The Guang Yutu was an atlas of forty sailing maps that focused only on the coastlines of places Zheng He visited, but it made no attempt at a world map. And it failed to be popular:
This much we know: On the eve of the first Anglo-Chinese War of 1839-42, Jesuit-influenced world maps of the sort produced by individuals such as Cao Junyi and Zhuang Tingfu were at best a dim memory for most Chinese scholars and officials. From the late seventeenth century into the nineteenth, the vast majority of Chinese mapmakers ignored Jesuit constructions of the world almost entirely. Most did not even choose to pattern their cartographic productions after Luo Guangxian’s grid-oriented Guang Yutu. Far more popular were maps of the Tianxia quantu variety, which depicted India, Europe and even Africa as small entities sitting on the extreme western margins of China.
Above is an example of a map from the Guang Yutu.
Here is what Chinese world maps looked like before Europeans arrived:
As you can see Chinese world maps speak of Chinese insularity and disinterest with the rest of the world. Cartographic skill was devoted to smaller maps for navigation, world maps grew more inaccurate with time. European Jesuits created increasingly detailed detailed and accurate world maps for the Imperial Court, but again they failed to be popular.
This Korean map dramatically inflates the size of Korea:
Some better maps were actually deliberately destroyed by the Chinese imperial authorities.
The Muslim travel writers also failed to have such an impact, either in cartography or inspiring adventure, even the great Ibn Battuta. They themselves were not inspired by adventure, being mostly emissaries. They mostly visited Muslim lands, unlike European travelers who were attracted to the alien. Also notable that on that link of Muslim travel writers, two merely made pilgrimage to Mecca, a third was Greek, a fourth a late nineteenth century scholar who traveled to England and Zheng He is also on the list. So out of a list of 13 only 8 Muslim travel writers can be said to be actual travelers. Battuta himself visited only Muslim countries aside from China and even there he stayed with Muslims as he did wherever he went, and in his own words was motivated by “overmastering impulses” to visit “illustrious sanctuaries” not the alien, unknown and dangerous. Muslim geography would culminate in the Tabula Rogeriana and would advance no further. These men simply did not have the impact that Marco Polo had, nor the same motivation to visit the far off and unknown.
In the same vein it’s insane to suggest that Zheng He’s voyages were of the same consequence as Christopher Columbus’ discoveries. Columbus sailed where no man had gone before initiating the conquest and colonisation of the Americas. Zheng He was erased from history by his own people and the world promptly forgot him as if he never was, his voyages mere legends in the lands he visited. No one could have erased Columbus, Cortes, Magellan or de Vasca if they wanted to.
I could write more but I think this suffices.
"fuck western history?" No, Fuck you.
Edit: I knew I would remember to add something: Rangaku. Europeans set out to conquer, but we were willing to learn and trade knowledge with other peoples as well, our curiosity of them initiating the sciences of anthropology and ethnography.
It’s ironic when it turns out the non-white man who is constantly beating the drum of racism and accusing the west of revisionist history is actually the one trying to revise history.
some of this is a bit unnecessarily rude but their sources check out. as imperialistic and murderous as some of the Western European explorers were, they were actually true explorers.
not to mention that the post is written by a self-described “totalitarian, traditionalist, nationalist, anti-egalitarian” (all that stuff about the White European Spirit kinda gives it away) plus conflating ancient Greeks with white europeans is just plain wrong. but it has a few interesting points and sources that i think are noteworthy, and lots of history stuff that i didnt know about. it’s also a nice rebuttal to the tumblr notion that talking about the erasure of non-western history and contributions must devolve into idealizing poc history and shitting on everything “White” ever
And whats more, they didn’t even consider the technical and practical aspects of things. A craft built for exploring, made out of wood even, is way better off being smaller rather then huge. A huge wooden vessel is more likely to break apart during storms and is way harder to properly repair, then, say, a caravel.
But of course, the child-like mind of the tumblr social justice dweeb will look at the ships, see that the chinese ship is larger, and then go “WELL BIGGER IS BETTER RIGHT LOL NO NEED TO ACTUALY STUDY HISTORY OR ANYTHING OMG POC RULE WHITE PPL ARE LAME”.
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